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Libertarians only get to "lord" over themselves. They get to make their own decisions about themselves. Its Liberals want to dominate others, make us pay taxes, support things against others religions, support people who have no intentions of ever supporting themselves.
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Songy, you have earned you former title, King o Spin again.
No Joe. I'll get to all of later when I have time. But things were not well at all for 150 years. As people were killed in mines people would say, "we ought to have laws to protect us". As children as old as 7 and 8 years old were forced to work, people said, "we ought to have laws against that".undercoverjoe wrote:Bill, most of the evils of libertarianism you twisted were exactly how this country was for about 150 years. If America was so evil for those 150 years, why did so many people see America as the land of opportunity and move here?
Bill, who took care of people before the socialistic nanny state? Someone did, there were not thousands of dead bodies in the streets of America. Who? How?
WE did. Americans. We helped out each other, whether it was family, or the local church or the local community, or the local YMCA, or CYC or any number of civic charities.
Libertarians want a much smaller government, meaning you will keep a lot more of your earnings. You will then be able to help people in your community, just like it happened for decade after decade, before the cradle to grave nanny state.
You see this as evil, others see it as a great thing, like America once was.
As homeless children were packed into foster homes with deplorable conditions with 100 or more living in one large room. Dysentery and early childhood sickness and death were the norm Joe. People said, "we ought to do something for them".
You want to go back to that Joe ? No Joe, they weren't left dead in the streets, they were buried in mass graves, these graves are found regularly. They just found on in Philadelphia recently. Hundreds of children buried on top of each other. Research showed there was once a foster home there.
As water became polluted people said, "If they won't stop polluting, we should make some laws to stop them".
As too many people became addicted to narcotics, and no one to take care of them people said, "we ought to outlaw those drugs".
As people were FORCED to work 60 70 80 hours a week or loose their jobs, they banded together and died fighting for a 40 hour work week.
As factory workers were loosing arms and hands and lives in an unsafe environment people said, "We out to have laws to protect us".
I am proud of our society that we do take care of the less fortunate. Do some searching Joe, please, the donations you speak of were not covering the needs of the disabled. They were called beggars.
I see you actually do live in fantasy land because you don't realize how bad it was prior to these laws and regulations that were necessary for our FREEDOM today !
I can go on and on and if I have time I will later. But the system was failing and laws and regulations were made to protect you freedom. And you can still sit naked covered in green jello in your own house.
OK....boilin water for my jello as we speak. But I noticed no one has touched the online poker topic. Either you disagree with it, disagree with me, or you voted for the guy that helped get it banned. I'd LOVE to hear some opinions on this subject.Hawk wrote:No Joe. I'll get to all of later when I have time. But things were not well at all for 150 years. As people were killed in mines people would say, "we ought to have laws to protect us". As children as old as 7 and 8 years old were forced to work, people said, "we ought to have laws against that".undercoverjoe wrote:Bill, most of the evils of libertarianism you twisted were exactly how this country was for about 150 years. If America was so evil for those 150 years, why did so many people see America as the land of opportunity and move here?
Bill, who took care of people before the socialistic nanny state? Someone did, there were not thousands of dead bodies in the streets of America. Who? How?
WE did. Americans. We helped out each other, whether it was family, or the local church or the local community, or the local YMCA, or CYC or any number of civic charities.
Libertarians want a much smaller government, meaning you will keep a lot more of your earnings. You will then be able to help people in your community, just like it happened for decade after decade, before the cradle to grave nanny state.
You see this as evil, others see it as a great thing, like America once was.
As homeless children were packed into foster homes with deplorable conditions with 100 or more living in one large room. Dysentery and early childhood sickness and death were the norm Joe. People said, "we ought to do something for them".
You want to go back to that Joe ? No Joe, they weren't left dead in the streets, they were buried in mass graves, these graves are found regularly. They just found on in Philadelphia recently. Hundreds of children buried on top of each other. Research showed there was once a foster home there.
As water became polluted people said, "If they won't stop polluting, we should make some laws to stop them".
As too many people became addicted to narcotics, and no one to take care of them people said, "we ought to outlaw those drugs".
As people were FORCED to work 60 70 80 hours a week or loose their jobs, they banded together and died fighting for a 40 hour work week.
As factory workers were loosing arms and hands and lives in an unsafe environment people said, "We out to have laws to protect us".
I am proud of our society that we do take care of the less fortunate. Do some searching Joe, please, the donations you speak of were not covering the needs of the disabled. They were called beggars.
I see you actually do live in fantasy land because you don't realize how bad it was prior to these laws and regulations that were necessary for our FREEDOM today !
I can go on and on and if I have time I will later. But the system was failing and laws and regulations were made to protect you freedom. And you can still sit naked covered in green jello in your own house.
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I think the blockage of US players for online poker is absolutely rediculous. I agree, we should have the right to do anything we please without affecting others. Same with marijuana. If these were both legalized and ,gulp, taxed I don't see how it wouldn't be a big help in this time of economic crisis. To me it seems like a no brainer, but what do I know.sstuckey wrote:
OK....boilin water for my jello as we speak. But I noticed no one has touched the online poker topic. Either you disagree with it, disagree with me, or you voted for the guy that helped get it banned. I'd LOVE to hear some opinions on this subject.
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The government needs to stay away from controlling the internet.
Bill, why was America called the land of opportunity and why did people come here in the millions?? This was all before the nanny state. Were all of our ancestors stupid? Did they really want to come to this evil place?
Or are you wrong again?
Bill, we still have homeless and beggars. Why are you still living here, it is an evil place?
Bill, why was America called the land of opportunity and why did people come here in the millions?? This was all before the nanny state. Were all of our ancestors stupid? Did they really want to come to this evil place?
Or are you wrong again?
Bill, we still have homeless and beggars. Why are you still living here, it is an evil place?
I don't think it's an evil place, I like it the way it is. Just needs more tweaking.undercoverjoe wrote:The government needs to stay away from controlling the internet.
Bill, why was America called the land of opportunity and why did people come here in the millions?? This was all before the nanny state. Were all of our ancestors stupid? Did they really want to come to this evil place?
Or are you wrong again?
Bill, we still have homeless and beggars. Why are you still living here, it is an evil place?
I'm still waiting for you to dispute any of my claims relative to Libertarianism ?
It never was an evil place. Still isn't. With all of your griping , why are you still here ? Why are people still coming here ?
Some left their former countries because of religious persecution or famine or safety.
My daughter is a case manager for the homeless, she is among many in Blair County. That's why you don't see them living in the street. They are NOT nannied. They must get jobs and get back on their feet.
Bill, so many of your claims about libertarians are preposterous they do not deserve a response. But here is one:
America did not have drug laws until the 1930's. Was every American a drug addict because there was not a law against it?
Are you a good person because it is your nature, or because there are laws not to hurt and kill people? A libertarian thinks it is because it is your nature, a libertarian trusts you. You are too afraid to trust people, you prefers 1000's of laws instead, meaning a powerful authoritarian government.
America did not have drug laws until the 1930's. Was every American a drug addict because there was not a law against it?
Are you a good person because it is your nature, or because there are laws not to hurt and kill people? A libertarian thinks it is because it is your nature, a libertarian trusts you. You are too afraid to trust people, you prefers 1000's of laws instead, meaning a powerful authoritarian government.
There were thousands addicted to opiates in the late 1800s.undercoverjoe wrote:Bill, so many of your claims about libertarians are preposterous they do not deserve a response. But here is one:
America did not have drug laws until the 1930's. Was every American a drug addict because there was not a law against it?
Are you a good person because it is your nature, or because there are laws not to hurt and kill people? A libertarian thinks it is because it is your nature, a libertarian trusts you. You are too afraid to trust people, you prefers 1000's of laws instead, meaning a powerful authoritarian government.
I heard Ron Paul and Rand Paul each say that they want the private sector to go back to allowing hiring based on race. They would support any business denying access based on race. THAT is Libertarianism. Do you want that ? Do you agree the private sector should be free to go back to segregation ? Joe ?
I heard Ron Paul And Rand Paul say there should be no mine regulations ! Amine owner can operate it anyway he wants to. One if free to not work there. Is that what you want ?
If you think introducing more addictive drugs to the American market will not increase the number of addicts, you are in fantasy land.
Ron and Rand Paul want to completely get rid of Medicare and Medicaid. Do you honestly believe that everyone would be rich enough to afford their own health care to the end of their life. What would you propose to do with the ones who don't / can't ?
Do you realize that if it weren't for local county case managers for the homeless (supported by state via federal funds) that there would be hundreds every year, living on the streets in Altoona. Do you really think the people will make donations to help them ?
Ron and Rand Paul want rid of the EPA. Do you really think that industry will voluntarily clean up their own pollution ? Hell, we have trouble making them clean it up. Tell me Joe, how many States are there right now, where one cannot eat the fish because of polution. Is it your position that we increase that number ?
Both Ocean and many fresh water fish have mercury in them. It does no ever leave their body. Some children today are suffering the effects of the mercury poison. Are you cool with that ? If we don't do something about it, soon none of the fish will be edible. Where does this mercury come from ? It comes from burning coal. Now please tell me Joe, why you are against regulations to coal burning operations for electricity ? Tell me Joe, why is money more important than safety ? Explain to me all the freedoms I will have when fish is no longer edible ?
Do you really think we would be safer if there were NO US troops anywhere in the world ?
Do you really think that if everyone in the US had an extra 95% of their income in their pockets that gas would only be $5.00 ? You see Joe, when you introduce and idea, you have to follow it to a logical conclusion. Tell me why there won't be any inflation if everyone has more money ?
Please Joe, Besides my ability to be free to have access to narcotics, what are the rest of the freedoms we will get that we don't have now ?
Anyone want to make a bet that Joe won't answer these questions ?
LSD was discovered in 1938. Morphine, heroine, marijuana, and opium were available.Hawk wrote:By 1902 there were an estimated 200,000 cocaine addicts in the United States, and by 1907, U.S. coca leaf imports were three times their 1900 levels.
BTW Joe, there was no Crack or LSD or any number of addicting drugs available in the 1930s so addiction to Crack etc. would have been nonexistent.
In 1902, we had about a 1% problem with cocaine. Wow, that is so terrible. We need a nanny state!!! Police state control!!!
In the 30's there was not cartels and gangs warring over control of the coke business were there? Thats because it was not illegal. Making drugs illegal brings in the cartels, gangs and crime.
Remember prohibition??? It gave rise to gangsters like Al Capone and many others. The problem with organized crime in the 20's was a worse problem than people drinking illegal alcohol. Would you agree?
Sorry fellas but I think all drugs should be legal. Again no one should have the right or the authority to tell me what i can and cannot put into my body if doing so affects no one but myself.undercoverjoe wrote:LSD was discovered in 1938. Morphine, heroine, marijuana, and opium were available.Hawk wrote:By 1902 there were an estimated 200,000 cocaine addicts in the United States, and by 1907, U.S. coca leaf imports were three times their 1900 levels.
BTW Joe, there was no Crack or LSD or any number of addicting drugs available in the 1930s so addiction to Crack etc. would have been nonexistent.
In 1902, we had about a 1% problem with cocaine. Wow, that is so terrible. We need a nanny state!!! Police state control!!!
In the 30's there was not cartels and gangs warring over control of the coke business were there? Thats because it was not illegal. Making drugs illegal brings in the cartels, gangs and crime.
Remember prohibition??? It gave rise to gangsters like Al Capone and many others. The problem with organized crime in the 20's was a worse problem than people drinking illegal alcohol. Would you agree?
I'd like to tackle what is apparently the most important issue facing Americans today: Online poker.
First I'll address my own take on this provocative and profound ban on online poker: I don't give a f**k if you can play online poker.
Now that that's out of the way, if it's about anything but money, you can play all the poker you want at home or with your friends, so it's not like poker is outlawed. If it is money, there are poker leagues in many bars, and charity tournaments where you can win some $$. But if you think the govt should let you earn untraceable money playing poker online, tough crap, we all pay taxes. There's a really good reason poker is watched so closely, organized crime is all about gambling because the money is untraceable. Doing it on a website opens up the entire planet to launderable money, and the more that goes through a website, the more a druglord or terrorist can clean up his dirty money. You have to open up the field of view sometimes. It's not about somebody winning a few bucks, it's about somebody hiding a few million. You can boo-hoo about the govt, but you should be boo-hooing about the people who ruined it for you: people who make millions from your little table game. It's like blaming the cops for stopping you at a DUI checkpoint. If drunk people wouldn't kill other drivers, they'd have never stopped you in the first place, but they do.
First I'll address my own take on this provocative and profound ban on online poker: I don't give a f**k if you can play online poker.
Now that that's out of the way, if it's about anything but money, you can play all the poker you want at home or with your friends, so it's not like poker is outlawed. If it is money, there are poker leagues in many bars, and charity tournaments where you can win some $$. But if you think the govt should let you earn untraceable money playing poker online, tough crap, we all pay taxes. There's a really good reason poker is watched so closely, organized crime is all about gambling because the money is untraceable. Doing it on a website opens up the entire planet to launderable money, and the more that goes through a website, the more a druglord or terrorist can clean up his dirty money. You have to open up the field of view sometimes. It's not about somebody winning a few bucks, it's about somebody hiding a few million. You can boo-hoo about the govt, but you should be boo-hooing about the people who ruined it for you: people who make millions from your little table game. It's like blaming the cops for stopping you at a DUI checkpoint. If drunk people wouldn't kill other drivers, they'd have never stopped you in the first place, but they do.
How exactly is it untraceable? It comes directly from and goes directly into my bank acct. It's not only traceable but it's also taxable. What's next...ban Ebay?!!songsmith wrote:I'd like to tackle what is apparently the most important issue facing Americans today: Online poker.
First I'll address my own take on this provocative and profound ban on online poker: I don't give a f**k if you can play online poker.
Now that that's out of the way, if it's about anything but money, you can play all the poker you want at home or with your friends, so it's not like poker is outlawed. If it is money, there are poker leagues in many bars, and charity tournaments where you can win some $$. But if you think the govt should let you earn untraceable money playing poker online, tough crap, we all pay taxes. There's a really good reason poker is watched so closely, organized crime is all about gambling because the money is untraceable. Doing it on a website opens up the entire planet to launderable money, and the more that goes through a website, the more a druglord or terrorist can clean up his dirty money. You have to open up the field of view sometimes. It's not about somebody winning a few bucks, it's about somebody hiding a few million. You can boo-hoo about the govt, but you should be boo-hooing about the people who ruined it for you: people who make millions from your little table game. It's like blaming the cops for stopping you at a DUI checkpoint. If drunk people wouldn't kill other drivers, they'd have never stopped you in the first place, but they do.
Spoken like a libertarian.sstuckey wrote:Sorry fellas but I think all drugs should be legal. Again no one should have the right or the authority to tell me what i can and cannot put into my body if doing so affects no one but myself.undercoverjoe wrote:LSD was discovered in 1938. Morphine, heroine, marijuana, and opium were available.Hawk wrote:By 1902 there were an estimated 200,000 cocaine addicts in the United States, and by 1907, U.S. coca leaf imports were three times their 1900 levels.
BTW Joe, there was no Crack or LSD or any number of addicting drugs available in the 1930s so addiction to Crack etc. would have been nonexistent.
In 1902, we had about a 1% problem with cocaine. Wow, that is so terrible. We need a nanny state!!! Police state control!!!
In the 30's there was not cartels and gangs warring over control of the coke business were there? Thats because it was not illegal. Making drugs illegal brings in the cartels, gangs and crime.
Remember prohibition??? It gave rise to gangsters like Al Capone and many others. The problem with organized crime in the 20's was a worse problem than people drinking illegal alcohol. Would you agree?
Plus you haven't done your homework on the topic, because that's not the argument. The argument is whether or not the game is a game of chance or a game of skill. If it's the former it's considered illegal because it falls under the category of gambling. Which before that the complaint was that Americans were losing money to overseas players and the money wasn't staying on US soil. So they placed a ban on all sites outside of the USA.sstuckey wrote:How exactly is it untraceable? It comes directly from and goes directly into my bank acct. It's not only traceable but it's also taxable. What's next...ban Ebay?!!songsmith wrote:I'd like to tackle what is apparently the most important issue facing Americans today: Online poker.
First I'll address my own take on this provocative and profound ban on online poker: I don't give a f**k if you can play online poker.
Now that that's out of the way, if it's about anything but money, you can play all the poker you want at home or with your friends, so it's not like poker is outlawed. If it is money, there are poker leagues in many bars, and charity tournaments where you can win some $$. But if you think the govt should let you earn untraceable money playing poker online, tough crap, we all pay taxes. There's a really good reason poker is watched so closely, organized crime is all about gambling because the money is untraceable. Doing it on a website opens up the entire planet to launderable money, and the more that goes through a website, the more a druglord or terrorist can clean up his dirty money. You have to open up the field of view sometimes. It's not about somebody winning a few bucks, it's about somebody hiding a few million. You can boo-hoo about the govt, but you should be boo-hooing about the people who ruined it for you: people who make millions from your little table game. It's like blaming the cops for stopping you at a DUI checkpoint. If drunk people wouldn't kill other drivers, they'd have never stopped you in the first place, but they do.
I honestly think that's what side of the fence I stand on bro. If being a libertarian means having a larger sense of freedom...then love me or hate me for it....I'm 100% libertarian. Again within the confines of my own 4 walls....if not affecting anyone but myself....no one has the right to control ANY part of my life.undercoverjoe wrote:Spoken like a libertarian.sstuckey wrote:Sorry fellas but I think all drugs should be legal. Again no one should have the right or the authority to tell me what i can and cannot put into my body if doing so affects no one but myself.undercoverjoe wrote: LSD was discovered in 1938. Morphine, heroine, marijuana, and opium were available.
In 1902, we had about a 1% problem with cocaine. Wow, that is so terrible. We need a nanny state!!! Police state control!!!
In the 30's there was not cartels and gangs warring over control of the coke business were there? Thats because it was not illegal. Making drugs illegal brings in the cartels, gangs and crime.
Remember prohibition??? It gave rise to gangsters like Al Capone and many others. The problem with organized crime in the 20's was a worse problem than people drinking illegal alcohol. Would you agree?
Joe, answer these questions directly, yes or no:undercoverjoe wrote:Libertarians only get to "lord" over themselves. They get to make their own decisions about themselves. .
Should gay people be allowed to marry?
Should women have a right to choose termination of a pregnancy?
Is Islam detrimental to our way of life?
Should Americans be allowed to keep our public lands pristine and free of privatization and stripping of natural resources, if that's how they vote?
Do Americans have the right to create and fund a healthcare delivery system for the poor and elderly, if that's how they vote?
Do Americans have the right to form any entity that would directly compete with business, if it provided needed service at a lesser personal cost, or protected them from exploitation or profiteering?
Does the president have to constantly provide additional forms of ID, because you personally do not believe him?
If Americans, as prescribed in the Constitution, use their vote to empower their representative gov't in a liberal way, does that vote count, or is it illegitimate?
Remember, there questions can all be answered with a simple Yes or a simple No. If you inject your opinions/demands, or that of the hard-right, you will make my point as well as I ever could.
Go ahead, cut and paste, my friend. Answer away.
Yes, but why should they care what some government has to say or not say about it.
Yes, but I should not have to pay for it. People who disagree with it on religious reasons should not have to pay for it either.
No
No, this bloated government owns over 30% of the land. Ridiculous.
No, not Constitutional at the federal level. Let the states do it.
Clarify question.
Needs to provide ID as stated in that little ole Constitution.
Already happens daily. We are basically a social democracy.
I will answer any question any way I want to, and your presumptions prove nothing.
Yes, but I should not have to pay for it. People who disagree with it on religious reasons should not have to pay for it either.
No
No, this bloated government owns over 30% of the land. Ridiculous.
No, not Constitutional at the federal level. Let the states do it.
Clarify question.
Needs to provide ID as stated in that little ole Constitution.
Already happens daily. We are basically a social democracy.
I will answer any question any way I want to, and your presumptions prove nothing.
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I would like to point out that the idea behind this is...if you are dumb enough to stick a needle in your arm, or snort BATHSALTS then by all means do it. I personally have no interest in the concept but if that's your idea of a good time who am I to stop ya?!sstuckey wrote:Sorry fellas but I think all drugs should be legal. Again no one should have the right or the authority to tell me what i can and cannot put into my body if doing so affects no one but myself.undercoverjoe wrote:LSD was discovered in 1938. Morphine, heroine, marijuana, and opium were available.Hawk wrote:By 1902 there were an estimated 200,000 cocaine addicts in the United States, and by 1907, U.S. coca leaf imports were three times their 1900 levels.
BTW Joe, there was no Crack or LSD or any number of addicting drugs available in the 1930s so addiction to Crack etc. would have been nonexistent.
In 1902, we had about a 1% problem with cocaine. Wow, that is so terrible. We need a nanny state!!! Police state control!!!
In the 30's there was not cartels and gangs warring over control of the coke business were there? Thats because it was not illegal. Making drugs illegal brings in the cartels, gangs and crime.
Remember prohibition??? It gave rise to gangsters like Al Capone and many others. The problem with organized crime in the 20's was a worse problem than people drinking illegal alcohol. Would you agree?
Joe ?Hawk wrote:There were thousands addicted to opiates in the late 1800s.undercoverjoe wrote:Bill, so many of your claims about libertarians are preposterous they do not deserve a response. But here is one:
America did not have drug laws until the 1930's. Was every American a drug addict because there was not a law against it?
Are you a good person because it is your nature, or because there are laws not to hurt and kill people? A libertarian thinks it is because it is your nature, a libertarian trusts you. You are too afraid to trust people, you prefers 1000's of laws instead, meaning a powerful authoritarian government.
I heard Ron Paul and Rand Paul each say that they want the private sector to go back to allowing hiring based on race. They would support any business denying access based on race. THAT is Libertarianism. Do you want that ? Do you agree the private sector should be free to go back to segregation ? Joe ?
I heard Ron Paul And Rand Paul say there should be no mine regulations ! Amine owner can operate it anyway he wants to. One if free to not work there. Is that what you want ?
If you think introducing more addictive drugs to the American market will not increase the number of addicts, you are in fantasy land.
Ron and Rand Paul want to completely get rid of Medicare and Medicaid. Do you honestly believe that everyone would be rich enough to afford their own health care to the end of their life. What would you propose to do with the ones who don't / can't ?
Do you realize that if it weren't for local county case managers for the homeless (supported by state via federal funds) that there would be hundreds every year, living on the streets in Altoona. Do you really think the people will make donations to help them ?
Ron and Rand Paul want rid of the EPA. Do you really think that industry will voluntarily clean up their own pollution ? Hell, we have trouble making them clean it up. Tell me Joe, how many States are there right now, where one cannot eat the fish because of polution. Is it your position that we increase that number ?
Both Ocean and many fresh water fish have mercury in them. It does no ever leave their body. Some children today are suffering the effects of the mercury poison. Are you cool with that ? If we don't do something about it, soon none of the fish will be edible. Where does this mercury come from ? It comes from burning coal. Now please tell me Joe, why you are against regulations to coal burning operations for electricity ? Tell me Joe, why is money more important than safety ? Explain to me all the freedoms I will have when fish is no longer edible ?
Do you really think we would be safer if there were NO US troops anywhere in the world ?
Do you really think that if everyone in the US had an extra 95% of their income in their pockets that gas would only be $5.00 ? You see Joe, when you introduce and idea, you have to follow it to a logical conclusion. Tell me why there won't be any inflation if everyone has more money ?
Please Joe, Besides my ability to be free to have access to narcotics, what are the rest of the freedoms we will get that we don't have now ?
Anyone want to make a bet that Joe won't answer these questions ?
Funny how you failed to note that it increased by 300% in 7 years ! ?undercoverjoe wrote:LSD was discovered in 1938. Morphine, heroine, marijuana, and opium were available.Hawk wrote:By 1902 there were an estimated 200,000 cocaine addicts in the United States, and by 1907, U.S. coca leaf imports were three times their 1900 levels.
BTW Joe, there was no Crack or LSD or any number of addicting drugs available in the 1930s so addiction to Crack etc. would have been nonexistent.
In 1902, we had about a 1% problem with cocaine. Wow, that is so terrible. We need a nanny state!!! Police state control!!!
In the 30's there was not cartels and gangs warring over control of the coke business were there? Thats because it was not illegal. Making drugs illegal brings in the cartels, gangs and crime.
Remember prohibition??? It gave rise to gangsters like Al Capone and many others. The problem with organized crime in the 20's was a worse problem than people drinking illegal alcohol. Would you agree?
Bill?Hawk wrote:Joe ?Hawk wrote:There were thousands addicted to opiates in the late 1800s.undercoverjoe wrote:Bill, so many of your claims about libertarians are preposterous they do not deserve a response. But here is one:
America did not have drug laws until the 1930's. Was every American a drug addict because there was not a law against it?
Are you a good person because it is your nature, or because there are laws not to hurt and kill people? A libertarian thinks it is because it is your nature, a libertarian trusts you. You are too afraid to trust people, you prefers 1000's of laws instead, meaning a powerful authoritarian government.
I heard Ron Paul and Rand Paul each say that they want the private sector to go back to allowing hiring based on race. They would support any business denying access based on race. THAT is Libertarianism. Do you want that ? Do you agree the private sector should be free to go back to segregation ? Joe ?
I heard Ron Paul And Rand Paul say there should be no mine regulations ! Amine owner can operate it anyway he wants to. One if free to not work there. Is that what you want ?
If you think introducing more addictive drugs to the American market will not increase the number of addicts, you are in fantasy land.
Ron and Rand Paul want to completely get rid of Medicare and Medicaid. Do you honestly believe that everyone would be rich enough to afford their own health care to the end of their life. What would you propose to do with the ones who don't / can't ?
Do you realize that if it weren't for local county case managers for the homeless (supported by state via federal funds) that there would be hundreds every year, living on the streets in Altoona. Do you really think the people will make donations to help them ?
Ron and Rand Paul want rid of the EPA. Do you really think that industry will voluntarily clean up their own pollution ? Hell, we have trouble making them clean it up. Tell me Joe, how many States are there right now, where one cannot eat the fish because of polution. Is it your position that we increase that number ?
Both Ocean and many fresh water fish have mercury in them. It does no ever leave their body. Some children today are suffering the effects of the mercury poison. Are you cool with that ? If we don't do something about it, soon none of the fish will be edible. Where does this mercury come from ? It comes from burning coal. Now please tell me Joe, why you are against regulations to coal burning operations for electricity ? Tell me Joe, why is money more important than safety ? Explain to me all the freedoms I will have when fish is no longer edible ?
Do you really think we would be safer if there were NO US troops anywhere in the world ?
Do you really think that if everyone in the US had an extra 95% of their income in their pockets that gas would only be $5.00 ? You see Joe, when you introduce and idea, you have to follow it to a logical conclusion. Tell me why there won't be any inflation if everyone has more money ?
Please Joe, Besides my ability to be free to have access to narcotics, what are the rest of the freedoms we will get that we don't have now ?
Anyone want to make a bet that Joe won't answer these questions ?