Jeep From Hell..Going Green?

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Jeep From Hell..Going Green?

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Well...Thats it! Oil just hit $97 bucks. Thats what myself and my old man have been waiting on. We're converting the jeep from hell.

(seriously...just give me my own section called "Jeep From Hell"...itll be fucking hilarious..i promise!)

My old man has been begging me to do this since i started driving. He's been wanting to try it since '81. (9 years before i was born)

10 Led Acid based batteries. And an electric forklift motor. (with the controller). The one we've got is rated for 20,000 pounds. And my jeep is 3,000 (with engine, transmission, exhaust system, radiator..all of which will be gone!).

Not sure what kind of milage ill get without a generator. We're aiming for 60 miles on one charge. And after talking to John Wayland we might be able to get it if we do it right. And cheaply. Right now we're looking at $2,500.

This is going to be interesting...to say the least. :twisted:

I'm not waiting to pay 5 fuckin dollars a gallon.
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That is an awesome idea!
Forklift motors are true workhorses!
That'll be like the Superman of Jeeps....

One question.....Are you gonna pull the stereo out so that you're not tempted to run the battery life down by jamming out?
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Cool Idea!...Prices suck now....just got $300 in kerosene...it was only 80 gallons!!! :evil: If it works out can you haul us to the next shows so we can put alittle money in our pockets instead of the gas tank???? Good Luck Bro!....Keep us updated on the build.
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Demand is down. Supply is high. Middle East unrest causes speculators / Wall Street chaos to have an excuse to raise prices. It's all manipulations by big oil.
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Great idea and I'm sure a lot of work.

If I were you I would leave the transmission in (if it's a manual). That way you will have some type of gearbox to change drive ratios.
The transmission wouldn't be shifted, (no clutch needed) but fixed in one gear once you figure out which gear ratio works best for the power range / mileage of the electric motor.

And hopefully it will go faster than a forklift. :wink:
... and then the wheel fell off.
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Bic & Que wrote:One question.....Are you gonna pull the stereo out so that you're not tempted to run the battery life down by jamming out?
Just pull out the classic old school boom box with the tape player only.
DucK tape it to back seat and you are jammin!
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Post by 313 »

As long as you plan to charge the batteries with a solar panel or micro-wind generator you'll save money. Otherwise, even if gasoline goes to $4 per gallon, it will be cheaper to buy it than charge your batteries from the grid.
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I think you'll have to use other parts of the forklift as well... without a gas pedal (throttle), you'll need a variac to control motor rpm. I'm also anxious to hear how you'll mate the motor to the tranny. Very interesting, I can't wait to see how it turns out.-------->JMS
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Here is an interesting article from http://www.howstuffworks.com

Doing a Conversion

A majority of the electric cars on the road today are "home brew" conversion vehicles. People with an interest in electric cars convert existing gasoline-powered cars to electric in their backyards and garages. There are many Web sites that talk about the phenomenon and show you how to do it, where to get parts, etc.

A typical conversion uses a DC controller and a DC motor. The person doing the conversion decides what voltage the system will run at -- typically anything between 96 volts and 192 volts. The voltage decision controls how many batteries the car will need, and what sort of motor and controller the car will use. The most common motors and controllers used in home conversions come from the electric forklift industry.

Usually, the person doing the conversion has a "donor vehicle" that will act as the platform for the conversion. Almost always, the donor vehicle is a normal gasoline-powered car that gets converted to electric. Most donor vehicles have a manual transmission.

The person doing the conversion has a lot of choices when it comes to battery technology. The vast majority of home conversions use lead-acid batteries, and there are several different options:

* Marine deep-cycle lead-acid batteries (These are available everywhere, including Wal-mart.)
* Golf-cart batteries
* High-performance sealed batteries

The batteries can have a flooded, gelled or AGM (absorbed glass mat) electrolyte. Flooded batteries tend to have the lowest cost but also the lowest peak power.

Once the decisions about the motor, controller and batteries are made, the conversion can start. Here are the steps:

1. Remove the engine, gas tank, exhaust system, clutch and perhaps the radiator from the donor vehicle. Some controllers have water-cooled transistors, while some are air-cooled.

2. Attach an adapter plate to the transmission and mount the motor. The motor normally requires custom mounting brackets.

3. Usually, the electric motor needs a reduction gear for maximum efficiency. The easiest way to create the gear reduction is to pin the existing manual transmission in first or second gear. It would save weight to create a custom reduction gear, but normally it is too expensive.

4. Mount the controller.

5. Find space for, and build brackets to safely hold, all the batteries. Install the batteries. Sealed batteries have the advantage that they can be turned on their sides and fitted into all sorts of nooks and crannies.

6. Wire the batteries and motor to the controller with #00 gauge welding cable.

7. If the car has power steering, wire up and mount an electric motor for the power steering pump.

8. If the car has air conditioning, wire up and mount an electric motor for the A/C compressor.

9. Install a small electric water heater for heat and plumb it into the existing heater core, or use a small ceramic electric space heater.

10. If the car has power brakes, install a vacuum pump to operate the brake booster.

11. Install a charging system.

12. Install a DC-to-DC converter to power the accessory battery.

13. Install some sort of volt meter to be able to detect state of charge in the battery pack. This volt meter replaces the gas gauge.

14. Install potentiometers, hook them to the accelerator pedal and connect to the controller.

15. Most home-brew electric cars using DC motors use the reverse gear built into the manual transmission. AC motors with advanced controllers simply run the motor in reverse and need a simple switch that sends a reverse signal to the controller. Depending on the conversion, you may need to install some sort of reverse switch and wire to the controller.

16. Install a large relay (also known as a contactor) that can connect and disconnect the car's battery pack to and from the controller. This relay is how you turn the car "on" when you want to drive it. You need a relay that can carry hundreds of amps and that can break 96 to 300 volts DC without holding an arc.

17. Rewire the ignition switch so that it can turn on all the new equipment, including the contactor.

Once everything is installed and tested, the new electric car is ready to go!

A typical conversion, if it is using all new parts, costs between $5,000 and $10,000 (not counting the cost of the donor vehicle or labor). The costs break down like this:

* Batteries - $1,000 to $2,000
* Motor - $1,000 to $2,000
* Controller - $1,000 to $2,000
* Adapter plate - $500 to $1,000
* Other (motors, wiring, switches, etc.) - $500 to $1,000
... and then the wheel fell off.
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I'll not only be keeping my stereo but ill be keeping my amp and sub in the vehicle. We'll have a seperate battery for the 12-volt systems.

As for the tranny, We may keep it. Depends. Direct drive would work. (and save weight). As for charging the vehicle. If i plug it in at the grid ill only spend 30 bucks a month. (my bill is low as it is so no problems there!)

As for price and know how...get on youtube. I watched a guy convert a eo metro to electric for only $700! It was called "How to covert on a Beer Budget" The car only reached 35mph but it ran!

As for my top speed...at 48 volts with the current motor...if i pumped enough juice into the motor id tear my jeep apart. Literally.

Look up John "Plasma Boy" Wayland on yahoo. There's another guy called Maniac Mazda. All these guys converted cars and are using electric motors to beat vetts!

http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/videos.php
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Best of luck on the conversions. If I had a clue about cars more than how to drive them into the ground and how to piss off the local bacon, I'd probably do that myself. Hell of an idea, I wanna see that monster run!
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